7.9.40

Air-raid alarms now frequent enough, and lasting long enough, for people habitually to forget whether the alarm is on at the moment, or whether the All Clear has sounded.  Noise of bombs and gunfire, except when very close (which probably means within two miles) now accepted as a normal background to sleep or conversation.  I have still not heard a bomb go off with the sort of bang that makes you feel you are personally involved.

In Churchill’s speech, number killed in air-raids during August given as 1075.  Even if truthful, probably a large understatement as it includes only civilian casualties. . . . . The secretiveness officially practised about raids is extraordinary.  To-day’s papers report that a bomb fell in a square “in central London”.  Impossible to find out which square it was, though thousands of people must know.

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27 Responses to 7.9.40

  1. George~~
    Here are two reports depicting the events of today of which you are apparently unaware:
    HERE
    HERE

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  3. Leslie Silverman says:

    Thanks again JamesonLewis3rd. You add so much to the diary.

  4. Leslie Silverman~~
    Thank you very much.

    This is way cool:
    The blitz: day one timeline of where the bombs fell.

  5. Syd Walker says:

    Although Orwell would not have known this at the time, the German bombing of London was in response to a massive bombing campaign unleashed by Churchill almost as soon as he gained office, the object of which was to destroy any prospect of a negotiated peace with Germany while provoking retaliatory bombing, which was seen by Churchill and his backers as crucial to encouraging the USA to enter the war on Britain’s side.

  6. ajay says:

    he German bombing of London was in response to a massive bombing campaign unleashed by Churchill almost as soon as he gained office

    No, it was in response to a bombing raid by the Luftwaffe (by mistake) on the German town of Freiburg im Breisgau, which the Germans thought was an RAF raid. Bomber Command started to hit targets east of the Rhine only after the German bombing of Rotterdam.

    On the post: the reason for keeping the details secret may have been to prevent the Germans using them to improve their aim. This was certainly the case for the V-1 attacks in 1944; the government went to great lengths to conceal the fact that the V-1s were generally falling short of central London, because if the Germans had known they could have adjusted.

  7. jhameac says:

    I was particularly struck by the sentence “Blazing rum, paint and sugar floated on the Thames” in the second of JL3′s links.

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  9. Max says:

    Churchill’s gamble was unnecessary. The Fifth Cavalry is already half way across the Atlantic. I hear the splashing of the hooves.

  10. Barry Larking says:

    ‘Syd Walker’ writes that “German bombing of London was in response to a massive bombing campaign unleashed by Churchill almost as soon as he gained office.”

    Churchill moreover did this “to destroy any prospect of a negotiated peace with Germany while provoking retaliatory bombing, which was seen by Churchill and his backers as crucial to encouraging the USA to enter the war on Britain’s side.”

    I am not an admirer of Winston Churchill but this is complete nonsense. Not only were the means to launch a ‘massive’ attack unavailable, they were technically impossible until some time afterwards. This is certain knowledge. Even the R.A.F. official history acknowledges that were no reliable means apart from dead reckoning to find targets at night. Early attacks were woefully inaccurate. Day time attacks were tried only for the planes to be shot down in droves.

    ‘Syd Walker’ does not explain how this Churchillian master stroke to interest the U.S.A. in belligerency failed (abysmally), not just in 1940, or 41 but right through to 1942. Who are these ‘backers’ guiding Churchill’s scheme to defeat a negotiated settlement with Hitler? (Setting aside common sense and plain fact for the moment) I think I can guess.

    George Orwell would not have ‘known this at the time’ or any other. It is a complete fabrication, though not so much as fantasy as a negotiated peace settlement with Hitler.

    I take ‘Max’s’ aside as a joke. Without Pearl Harbor it might have been a different story. It’s an ill wind …

  11. Barry Larking~~
    Well said. Thank you.

  12. Barry Larking says:

    I was a bit peeved when I wrote my above post. In remembrance of many U.S. citizens who paid their own passage across U-boat infested waters to put on a British uniform and many of whom lie in British soil now for enternity, I should distinguish between individual American’s and their government.

  13. Martinus Scriblerus says:

    The US Navy took losses escorting convoys in the Atlantic. The US Marines took over the garisson of Iceland, releasing the British troops for duties elsewhere, all before Pearl Harbour. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if Hitler had not declared war on the USA in 1941.

  14. Max says:

    Of course good Americans crossed the Atlantic to fight for democracy in the British armed forces, and God bless them. But there was no Blair-like rush to London to save the poor old Brits from their 9/11 (ironically that was the most destructive day of the London blitz to that date). The rest, one assumes, as Donald Rumsfeld might have said, were happily eating cheesbergers and watching the war on the newsreels. MS is right. It was only when Hitler declared war on the US that they came in – a matter by then of naked self-interest. And any American aid before that, don’t forget came at a very high price (a good opportunity to turn a neat profit, of course), and the poor dumb Limeys were left paying off the debt into this century (and with their Empire in a poverty of ruins who would take over?). If Blair had taken the same attitude in 2001 he’d have been excoriated by the Rumsfeld think-alikes of 1940 as a cheeseburg eater, too.

  15. Syd Walker says:

    Ajay – the question of “who started the bombing” is complex.

    Bombing of targets in Norway by Britain pre-dated the German bombing of Rotterdam.

    In general, from the time Britain declared war on Germany onwards, there was an eerie lack of bombing by Germany of Britain – and vice-versa – until Churchill came to power in early May 1940. After that, it was on. That new phase of direct aerial bombing aggression began when the RAF bombed Germany. Bombing attacks on Britain followed, considerably later. That was my point.

    Verify this for yourself with your own refs. Here’s one that substantiates my case:
    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.etherington/frame.htm – look for May 11th, 1940 (the day after Chruchill came to power as PM). The diary entry reads: “This is the first attack by British aircraft on the German mainland.”

    Regarding Churchill’s motives, Barry, this may not be the place to continue what might become a very long discussion.

    Are you seriously of the view that Hitler did not want to make peace with Britain from the time Britain declared war onwards? I thought that was well-accepted these days. If you are unable to find them, I’m happy to provide supporting references. Perhaps you’d rather not know about them?

    Orwell himself, I have no doubt, would have preferred to know the truth. It was one of his appealing character traits.

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  17. Barry Larking says:

    “Regarding Churchill’s motives, Barry, this may not be the place to continue what might become a very long discussion.”

    Or a brief one.

    “Are you seriously of the view that Hitler did not want to make peace with Britain from the time Britain declared war onwards? I thought that was well-accepted these days. If you are unable to find them, I’m happy to provide supporting references. Perhaps you’d rather not know about them?”

    Hitler did want ‘peace’ on his terms. What, pray, do you think these would have been? I familiar with the work of David Irving only by interviews, some extracts and one longer book on the German attempts to build an atomic weapon. It was enough. The revisionist history of the Second World War is poisonous. I am “seriously of the view” that Adolf Hitler and the German people wished to re-run history and change its outcomes through violence. Their whole national being was bent towards the prosecution of war and that is what is so shocking. The Nazi ideology is plain to see even now and was pursued across Occupied Europe with vigour. No where it touched ever forgot, as I have seen myself. This is not just “well accepted”; it is plain fact.

    The ‘war in the west’ was opened by German assault in May 1940, marking the end of ‘The Phoney War’. Before hand attacks by aircraft were limited to day light raids against shipping. Germany in particular did not have bases close enough to British centres of population (and of production) until the conquest of France. The panes at their disposal were designed chiefly to support ground operations. However, attacking undefended targets of city size was in their capability. Ask the Dutch. Germany struggled (“eerily” or not as you wish) to produce heavy bombers throughout the war and deployed nothing like the Avro Lancaster ever. As Orwell shrewdly observed in this ‘diary’, the size of the bombs used initially were smaller than he expected. (This was not entirely a mistake on his part; it took some while for the air forces to come to realise that incendiaries were the most effective weapon to deploy against cities, not simply high explosive.)

    “Orwell himself, I have no doubt, would have preferred to know the truth. It was one of his appealing character traits.”

    Orwell – as he noted wryly from time to time about some other writers legacies – has been recruited by all sorts and manner of people to support every kind of cause up to and including Neo-Conservatism. It helps in this regard if one does not read him.

    Syd, may I put to you a direct question? Would you be so kind as to elaborate upon Churchill’s ‘backer’s’ you mention above? Who were these?

    Max. You are of course, largely correct. Yet, great powers, not least Britain, do so act in their own interests and have done so in the past (c.f. Britain and the U.S. Civil War). I was attempting to distinguish between a people and their government and media. Anti-British (and anti-American sentiment here) propagated in the media bedevil this question. I am not a great fan of the Churchill cult and of the ‘Special Relationship’ not at all. But as I warned my students, rather more people felt as they did about Donald Rumsfeld and Co. in the U.S.A. than ever in the U.K.

  18. Syd Walker says:

    @Barry Larking

    “Hitler did want ‘peace’ on his terms. What, pray, do you think these would have been?”

    I pray that all the relevant archives will be opened to the public forthwith. Not too much of an unreasonable request, is it? After 70 years…

    Certainly some of the people made aware of Hitler’s offer could not understand why Churchill turned it down. Jo Kennedy (father of JFK), then US Ambassador to London, was one of them.

    Churchill’s backers? Check out Ralph Raico’s Rethinking Churchill, esp Pt 2: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/raico-churchill2.html

    I take it you don’t like David Irving. Many people don’t. He’s unable, for example, to get a visa to visit Australia and see his daughter over here. Much too dangerous to allow in to Australia, apparently. LOL.

    Anyhow, it is still legal to read his books (although not in Germany, I imagine).

    Ted O’Keefe prepared a summary ‘Irving on Churchill – Dismantling Churchillian Mythology’.

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p498_Okeefe.html

    It’s worth reading in full. Personally,I think it’s also worth reading Irving’s ‘Churchill’s War’ in full for an important perspective (by no means the only one, of course) on the human-caused catastrophe that we now call World War Two.

    With the indulgence of the blog owner here are four highly relevant paragraphs extracted from ‘Churchill’s War’:

    ___________________

    The crucial moment when he managed to kill this peace offensive in England was July 1940. If we look at the one date, July the 20th, this I think was something of a watershed between the old era of peace, the greatness of the British Empire and the new era, the new era of nuclear deterrent and the holocaust, the nuclear holocaust. July 20, 1940: Mr. Churchill is lying in bed that Sunday out in Chequers, when he gets a strange message. It’s an intercept of a German ambassador’s telegram in Washington to Berlin. It’s only just been revealed, of course, that we were reading all of the German codes — not only the German Army, Air Force and Navy Codes, but also the German embassy codes. And if you’re silly enough to believe everything that’s written in the official history of British Intelligence, you will understand that the only reason that they released half of the stories is to prevent us from trying to find out the other half. And what matters is that we are reading the German diplomatic codes as well. On July 20th, the German ambassador in Washington sent a message to Berlin saying that the British ambassador in Washington had asked him very quietly, very confidentially, just what the German peace terms were. This, of course, was the one thing that Churchill could never allow to happen, that the British find out what Hitler’s peace terms are. He sends an immediate message to the foreign office, to Lord Halifax, saying, “Your ambassador in Washington is strictly forbidden to have any further contacts with the German ambassador, even indirectly.” They were communicating through a Quaker intermediary.

    Now, on the same day, Churchill sent a telegram to Washington ordering Lord Lothian, the British ambassador in Washington, to have nothing to do with the German ambassador. And the same day, he takes a third move to ensure that the peace moves in Britain are finally strangled at birth. He orders Sir Charles Portal to visit him at Chequers, the country residence of British prime ministers. Sir Charles Portal was Commander in Chief of Bomber Command. Now what is the significance? Well, the significance is this. Up to July 1940, not one single German bomb has fallen on British towns. Hitler had given orders that no British towns are to be bombed and, above all, bombing of London is completely forbidden and embargoed. Churchill knows this, because he’s reading the German code. He’s reading the German Air Force signals, which I can now read in the German files. Churchill is reading the signals, and he knows that Hitler is not doing him the favor.

    Hitler is still hoping that this madman in England will see reason or that he will be outvoted by his cabinet colleagues. So he’s not doing Churchill the favor of bombing any English towns. Churchill is frantic because he thinks he’s being outsmarted by Hitler. On July the 20th he sends for Sir Charles Portal, the Chief of Bomber Command, and he says to Sir Charles Portal, as we know from records from Command to the Air Ministry, “When is the earliest that you could launch a vicious air attack on Berlin?” Sir Charles Portal replies to Winston, “I’m afraid we can’t do it now, not until September because the nights aren’t long enough to fly from England to Berlin and back in the hours of darkness. September, perhaps, and in September we will have the first hundred of the new Sterling bombers …” But he also says, “I warn you, if you do that, the Germans will retaliate. At present they’re not bombing English targets, they’re not bombing civilian targets at all and you know why. And if you bomb Berlin, then Hitler will retaliate against English civilian targets.” And Churchill just twinkles when he gets this reply, because he knows what he wants.

    We know what he wants because he’s told Joe Kennedy, the American Ambassador – Joseph P. Kennedy, father of the late President – “I want the Germans to start bombing London as early as possible because this will bring the Americans into the war when they see the Nazis’ frightfulness, and above all it will put an end to this awkward and inconvenient peace movement that’s afoot in my own Cabinet and among the British population.” I’ve opened Kennedy’s diary. I’ve also read Kennedy’s telegrams back to the State Department in Washington. They’re buried among the files. You can’t find them easily, but they are worth reading, and you see in detail what Churchill was telling him. What cynicism. Churchill deliberately provoking the bombing of his own capital in order to kill the peace movement. He’s been warned this would be the consequence, but he needs it. And still Hitler doesn’t do him the favor.

  19. Syd Walker says:

    @Barry Larking

    “Hitler did want ‘peace’ on his terms. What, pray, do you think these would have been?”

    I pray that all the relevant archives will be opened to the public forthwith. Not too much of an unreasonable request, is it? After 70 years…

    Certainly some of the people made aware of Hitler’s offer could not understand why Churchill turned it down. Jo Kennedy (father of JFK), then US Ambassador to London, was one of them.

    Churchill’s backers? Check out Ralph Raico’s Rethinking Churchill, esp Pt 2: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/raico-churchill2.html

    I take it you don’t like David Irving. Many people don’t. He’s unable, for example, to get a visa to visit Australia and see his daughter over here. Much too dangerous to allow in to Australia, apparently. LOL.

    Anyhow, it is still legal to read his books (although not in Germany, I imagine).

    Ted O’Keefe prepared a summary ‘Irving on Churchill – Dismantling Churchillian Mythology’.

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p498_Okeefe.html

    It’s worth reading in full. Personally,I think it’s also worth reading Irving’s ‘Churchill’s War’ in full for an important perspective (by no means the only one, of course) on the human-caused catastrophe that we now call World War Two.

    With the indulgence of the blog owner here are four highly relevant paragraphs extracted from ‘Churchill’s War’ (I’ll post them separately because the overall length of this post appears to be causing problems):

  20. Syd Walker says:

    The crucial moment when he managed to kill this peace offensive in England was July 1940. If we look at the one date, July the 20th, this I think was something of a watershed between the old era of peace, the greatness of the British Empire and the new era, the new era of nuclear deterrent and the holocaust, the nuclear holocaust. July 20, 1940: Mr. Churchill is lying in bed that Sunday out in Chequers, when he gets a strange message. It’s an intercept of a German ambassador’s telegram in Washington to Berlin. It’s only just been revealed, of course, that we were reading all of the German codes — not only the German Army, Air Force and Navy Codes, but also the German embassy codes. And if you’re silly enough to believe everything that’s written in the official history of British Intelligence, you will understand that the only reason that they released half of the stories is to prevent us from trying to find out the other half. And what matters is that we are reading the German diplomatic codes as well. On July 20th, the German ambassador in Washington sent a message to Berlin saying that the British ambassador in Washington had asked him very quietly, very confidentially, just what the German peace terms were. This, of course, was the one thing that Churchill could never allow to happen, that the British find out what Hitler’s peace terms are. He sends an immediate message to the foreign office, to Lord Halifax, saying, “Your ambassador in Washington is strictly forbidden to have any further contacts with the German ambassador, even indirectly.” They were communicating through a Quaker intermediary.

    Now, on the same day, Churchill sent a telegram to Washington ordering Lord Lothian, the British ambassador in Washington, to have nothing to do with the German ambassador. And the same day, he takes a third move to ensure that the peace moves in Britain are finally strangled at birth. He orders Sir Charles Portal to visit him at Chequers, the country residence of British prime ministers. Sir Charles Portal was Commander in Chief of Bomber Command. Now what is the significance? Well, the significance is this. Up to July 1940, not one single German bomb has fallen on British towns. Hitler had given orders that no British towns are to be bombed and, above all, bombing of London is completely forbidden and embargoed. Churchill knows this, because he’s reading the German code. He’s reading the German Air Force signals, which I can now read in the German files. Churchill is reading the signals, and he knows that Hitler is not doing him the favor.

    Hitler is still hoping that this madman in England will see reason or that he will be outvoted by his cabinet colleagues. So he’s not doing Churchill the favor of bombing any English towns. Churchill is frantic because he thinks he’s being outsmarted by Hitler. On July the 20th he sends for Sir Charles Portal, the Chief of Bomber Command, and he says to Sir Charles Portal, as we know from records from Command to the Air Ministry, “When is the earliest that you could launch a vicious air attack on Berlin?” Sir Charles Portal replies to Winston, “I’m afraid we can’t do it now, not until September because the nights aren’t long enough to fly from England to Berlin and back in the hours of darkness. September, perhaps, and in September we will have the first hundred of the new Sterling bombers …” But he also says, “I warn you, if you do that, the Germans will retaliate. At present they’re not bombing English targets, they’re not bombing civilian targets at all and you know why. And if you bomb Berlin, then Hitler will retaliate against English civilian targets.” And Churchill just twinkles when he gets this reply, because he knows what he wants.

    We know what he wants because he’s told Joe Kennedy, the American Ambassador – Joseph P. Kennedy, father of the late President – “I want the Germans to start bombing London as early as possible because this will bring the Americans into the war when they see the Nazis’ frightfulness, and above all it will put an end to this awkward and inconvenient peace movement that’s afoot in my own Cabinet and among the British population.” I’ve opened Kennedy’s diary. I’ve also read Kennedy’s telegrams back to the State Department in Washington. They’re buried among the files. You can’t find them easily, but they are worth reading, and you see in detail what Churchill was telling him. What cynicism. Churchill deliberately provoking the bombing of his own capital in order to kill the peace movement. He’s been warned this would be the consequence, but he needs it. And still Hitler doesn’t do him the favor.

    The crucial moment when he managed to kill this peace offensive in England was July 1940. If we look at the one date, July the 20th, this I think was something of a watershed between the old era of peace, the greatness of the British Empire and the new era, the new era of nuclear deterrent and the holocaust, the nuclear holocaust. July 20, 1940: Mr. Churchill is lying in bed that Sunday out in Chequers, when he gets a strange message. It’s an intercept of a German ambassador’s telegram in Washington to Berlin. It’s only just been revealed, of course, that we were reading all of the German codes — not only the German Army, Air Force and Navy Codes, but also the German embassy codes. And if you’re silly enough to believe everything that’s written in the official history of British Intelligence, you will understand that the only reason that they released half of the stories is to prevent us from trying to find out the other half. And what matters is that we are reading the German diplomatic codes as well. On July 20th, the German ambassador in Washington sent a message to Berlin saying that the British ambassador in Washington had asked him very quietly, very confidentially, just what the German peace terms were. This, of course, was the one thing that Churchill could never allow to happen, that the British find out what Hitler’s peace terms are. He sends an immediate message to the foreign office, to Lord Halifax, saying, “Your ambassador in Washington is strictly forbidden to have any further contacts with the German ambassador, even indirectly.” They were communicating through a Quaker intermediary.

    Now, on the same day, Churchill sent a telegram to Washington ordering Lord Lothian, the British ambassador in Washington, to have nothing to do with the German ambassador. And the same day, he takes a third move to ensure that the peace moves in Britain are finally strangled at birth. He orders Sir Charles Portal to visit him at Chequers, the country residence of British prime ministers. Sir Charles Portal was Commander in Chief of Bomber Command. Now what is the significance? Well, the significance is this. Up to July 1940, not one single German bomb has fallen on British towns. Hitler had given orders that no British towns are to be bombed and, above all, bombing of London is completely forbidden and embargoed. Churchill knows this, because he’s reading the German code. He’s reading the German Air Force signals, which I can now read in the German files. Churchill is reading the signals, and he knows that Hitler is not doing him the favor.

    Hitler is still hoping that this madman in England will see reason or that he will be outvoted by his cabinet colleagues. So he’s not doing Churchill the favor of bombing any English towns. Churchill is frantic because he thinks he’s being outsmarted by Hitler. On July the 20th he sends for Sir Charles Portal, the Chief of Bomber Command, and he says to Sir Charles Portal, as we know from records from Command to the Air Ministry, “When is the earliest that you could launch a vicious air attack on Berlin?” Sir Charles Portal replies to Winston, “I’m afraid we can’t do it now, not until September because the nights aren’t long enough to fly from England to Berlin and back in the hours of darkness. September, perhaps, and in September we will have the first hundred of the new Sterling bombers …” But he also says, “I warn you, if you do that, the Germans will retaliate. At present they’re not bombing English targets, they’re not bombing civilian targets at all and you know why. And if you bomb Berlin, then Hitler will retaliate against English civilian targets.” And Churchill just twinkles when he gets this reply, because he knows what he wants.

    We know what he wants because he’s told Joe Kennedy, the American Ambassador – Joseph P. Kennedy, father of the late President – “I want the Germans to start bombing London as early as possible because this will bring the Americans into the war when they see the Nazis’ frightfulness, and above all it will put an end to this awkward and inconvenient peace movement that’s afoot in my own Cabinet and among the British population.” I’ve opened Kennedy’s diary. I’ve also read Kennedy’s telegrams back to the State Department in Washington. They’re buried among the files. You can’t find them easily, but they are worth reading, and you see in detail what Churchill was telling him. What cynicism. Churchill deliberately provoking the bombing of his own capital in order to kill the peace movement. He’s been warned this would be the consequence, but he needs it. And still Hitler doesn’t do him the favor.

  21. Syd Walker says:

    APOLOGIES – IN THER PREVIOUS EXTRACT, THE PARAS APPEAR TO HAVE BECOME REPLICATED.

    ONLY FOR PARAS SHOULD BE IN THE POST – ENDING WITH THE AFIRST INSTANCE OF THE PHRASE “doesn’t do him the favor.”

  22. Syd Walker says:

    Dear Moderator.It was not my intention to deface this page. I attempted to post one lengthy item in response to Barry Larking. It may have been too long to be accepted, so I split it into two parts.

    The first of these is in the moderation queue, presumably because ot contains hyperlinks.

    The second was inadvertently doubled up (see above post in CAPS).

    If at all possible, please approve (ifyou feel able) the first comment, delete the repetition of the first four paras in the second comment that has been posted, and delete this explanatory note (and the previous one in CAPS)

  23. Syd Walker~~
    To be taken seriously, you might want to cite your sources. Just saying.

  24. Barry Larking says:

    “Mr. Churchill is lying in bed that Sunday out in Chequers, …”

    Vital detail.

    “And if you’re silly enough to believe everything that’s written in the official history of British Intelligence, you will understand that the only reason that they released half of the stories is to prevent us from trying to find out the other half.”

    The Conspiracy Theory theory in a nutshell.

    “Up to July 1940, not one single German bomb has fallen on British towns.”

    I repeat myself but here goes: The planes did not have the range or payload nor long range escorts to fly from German bases until the conquest of France, following which they bombed the British Isles from end to end on every day they could summon the will.

    “Hitler is still hoping that this madman [Churchill] in England …”

    Breathtaking. We know what Hitler hopes. It gets even better (or worse).

    “… will see reason.”

    Remember, this is someone writing in 2010 about Adolf Hitler; ‘reason’?

    “And Churchill just twinkles when he gets this reply, because he knows what he wants.”

    I leave you to your own thoughts on this priceless tosh.

    JL3rd.

    I suspect you are not in fact expecting there is, can be or ever was a reference for “twinkles”. I am just as certain you will make hay with it!

    As I have written I am not a fan of Winston Churchill (WSC) for reasons I will spare you. However, I am incredulous that anyone might portray WSC in the terms used by Syd Walker. Orwell – the ostensible focus for this excellent blog – writes better than I ever could about WSC in his review of “Their Finest Hour”, published originally in 1945 [I do not have the precise reference to hand]. This review is reproduced in the collected Journalism, Letters and Essays.

    Mr Walker please do not respond to my invitation to name or otherwise identify the ‘backers’ of WSC you mentioned earlier. From the foregoing I am now certain I know who these shadowy figures will turn out to be.

    My part in these exchanges is now at an end.

  25. Syd Walker says:

    @JamesonLewis3rd

    When the moderator retrieves my initial comment from the moderation queue (posted September 11, 2010 at 8:51 am) you’ll see that I did quotes sources.

  26. Syd Walker says:

    Barry Larking, while “not a fan of Churchill”, is “incredulous” of my portral.

    Churchill’s own words speak eloquently enough, leaving little need for commentary. Here he is in a departmental minute (Churchill papers: 16/16) 12th May 1919 War Office:

    “I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas.

    “I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected.”

    The glorification of this war-monguering supremacist by the mass media of our generation speaks volumes about its own agenda.

  27. paul hart says:

    Poor,deluded Mr.Larking has undertaken to defend British Intelligence from charges of dishonesty by David Irving !! Deceit is the very business of an intelligence agency! It’s no conspiracy theory to suggest that harmful,embarrassing and revealing documents are routinely suppressed by all intelligence agencies and their political masters…spying and politics are the embodiment of the arts of deception! People like Mr.Larking who can’t get past this first obstacle to understanding history are the perfect fodder for court historians,propaganda departments and spin merchants.
    As for his contention that Churchill did not have the means to hit german cities because of early navigational and siting difficulties;terror bombing doesn’t require accuracy,and even the worst equipped pilots can find a city the size of Berlin!
    Syd Walker is accurate in his portrayal of Churchill and his last short paragraph is an apt summation.

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